Posts by Joe Grundy

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Would you care to explain this discrepancy between your doctrine and the Holy Scripture?

by Pribeagul in

citing from https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-the-holy-spirit/ :"the holy spirit is not a personby referring to god’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person.

(exodus 15:8, 10) a craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, god’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it.

(luke 11:13) the bible also compares god’s spirit to water and associates it with such things as faith and knowledge.

Joe Grundy

"The first step is to actually study the history of the Bible to see if it's genuine, rather than say it is because that's what a person wants to believe."

I never was a JW.

I second his comment. Context is all-important. Before you start interpreting/dissembling/investigating the words, first look at who/when/why and the context in which it was written.

Re. the OT - this is well worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5RfScpEcZ8

Re. the NT - have a look at Bart Ehrman's site or any of his lectures on youtube. (He also has a very good y/t on the origin of the KJ Bible).

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WT September 2016: Tight Pants (Does your style of dress Glorify God?

by Designer Stubble in

we will not weigh you down with burdensome lists, as you have the freedom to choose, but here is our list anyway.some snippets:.

the law showed jehovah’s strong feelings against clothing that does not make clear the distinction between male and female—what has been described in our day as unisex fashion.

(read deuteronomy 22:5.

Joe Grundy

" If they could legally put someone to death I'm sure they'd vomit up an article describing how it was done in the Old Testament and how it should be applied now."

I never was a JW.

I'm sure I recall a WT article quoted here on JWN which said something about not being able to stone apostates to death nowadays (with the implication that they'd like to ...)

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If WWI Had Not Started In 1914

by JW_Rogue in

would jws ever have arisen the way they did?

Joe Grundy

Just a thought.

How much influence might the fact and aftermath of the American Civil War have had on the formation of 'end times' religions such as WT?

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Excellent Conversation At Literature Trolley

by cofty in

yesterday my wife and i enjoyed one of our regular days out at edinburgh - movie, lunch, walk, meal etc.. in the late afternoon while mrs cofty went shopping i had an hour at the excellent museum of scotland and arranged to meet up outside the national gallery on princes street.

on my way back i saw the jw trolley was at the usual spot on the royal mile.

there was an older man and a young woman standing well back trying hard to look inconspicuous.

Joe Grundy

" Evolution is theories."

Here we go again. One more time for those at the back, please.

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Christians Know Who God Is

by Loi_241 in

many of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.

you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.

the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.

Joe Grundy

This is useful here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5RfScpEcZ8

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Help messy problem

by poopie in

jw
friends

the problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.

Joe Grundy

He's obviously a busy man.

When does he get time for the working girls? Especially if he has to slot them in (so to speak) between drinking beer? Which as all men know causes brewer's droop?

Brewer's droop in itself is a good argument against Intelligent Design. Drink enough beer to overcome inhibitions and find a girl, then get the droop. What deity designed that? Not a benevolent one, that's for sure. But wait! What about Lot? Well, he obviously wasn't normal (quite apart from his grief over his salty wife -who would have guessed that would happen?) but he was able to incestuously copulate with his daughters over a couple of days while blotto.

Not quite sure what moral to take from that story. Be a good man and you don't get the droop? Be a good man and copulate with your daughters (the ones the townspeople didn't want)?

Maybe I need to go to a KH with these questions.

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Excellent Conversation At Literature Trolley

by cofty in

yesterday my wife and i enjoyed one of our regular days out at edinburgh - movie, lunch, walk, meal etc.. in the late afternoon while mrs cofty went shopping i had an hour at the excellent museum of scotland and arranged to meet up outside the national gallery on princes street.

on my way back i saw the jw trolley was at the usual spot on the royal mile.

there was an older man and a young woman standing well back trying hard to look inconspicuous.

Joe Grundy

Quarterback:

I was going to respond to your post but won't, because Cofty will surely be along soon and he can say it better than me.

Only point I'd make re evolution is = it isn't a matter of 'belief', it's a matter of 'acceptance'.

Cheers.

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Help messy problem

by poopie in

jw
friends

the problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.

Joe Grundy

If he's saving his used condoms for 4 years, that;s a bit OCD and would cause concern, and I see what you mean by 'messy problem'.

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Help messy problem

by poopie in

jw
friends

the problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.

Joe Grundy

"a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh" (sic)

Is there an element of jealousy in OP's post?

(Re. the girls, not the speed).

I know what I'd rather be doing.

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Help messy problem

by poopie in

jw
friends

the problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.

Joe Grundy

33 minutes ago

Diogenesister:

Ha ha Joe...you sure you were never a dub??!!

Poopie...sure he's a hypocrite and all...but the old bills right..his real problem is speed. Talk to him privately and insist he speaks to his local addictions directorate, to be honest the girls are probably connected to the whole " self harm" thing he's got going on. He really needs PROFFESSIONAL HELP BIG TIME. BE A REAL MATE AND HELP HIM GET IT.

And forget the elders

Yes, ma'am, I'm sure I never was a dub. Other things, and definitely was Old Bill. I may have a more liberal view towards working girls than many. I have lived in various places and known quite a few, not always professionally. (Both theirs and mine). I hate to see them disrespected = some conversations, pre-coital, post-coital and some with no coitus at all, have broken my heart (easily done).

Billy Whizz is no true friend to anybody. Trust me on this (though not from direct personal experience, just from dealing with many who took it too far).

If the OP is genuine, he'd do well to advise his 'friend' to save his money for working girls. A better high and you've got company..